Message-Id: Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:17:51 -0800 To: bikecurrent@cycling.org MIME:MARTYGOODMAN@delphi.com on 05/18/99 11:34:00 AM Subject: Inclinometers and Altimeters The Avocet 50 had merely an ordinary barometric altimeter, NOT an inclinometer. The Avocet 50 is also now off the market, and has been for years, and justly so: It had HORRIBLE reliablity problems. The Avocet VerTec wrist watch reflected many improvements (I own two) based on Avocet's horrendous experience with the Avocet 50. I know some of the consultants who helped develop the VerTec. But the VerTec is hard to find, for Avocet seems to be having problems getting back in business. I keep hearing rumors that they will have out an Avocet 55 cycling odometer and altimeter, and the even exhibited prototypes some years ago at a bike show, but... I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it. If you need a good altimeter for use on a bicycle, I'd recommend the Sunto Altimeter ($200 at REI currently). It offers a very big, readable display and ability to show cumulative feet gaine, and important feature for cyclists. Only negative: It just came out, and I know of no field-use reports on the Sunto. DO NOT waste a DIME on the HORRIBLY engineered Casio altimeters!!! Tiny displays, worthless confusing bells and whistles, and lack of ability to display cumulative feet gained make the Casios really poor choices. Affordable GPS units are essentially worthless for measuring altitude, and likely will be for rather a while. I doubt that if and when ones suitable for measuring altitude with accuracy even approaching that of barometric altimeters are available to us, they will be remotely affordable to most cyclists. I suspect the main reason we don't see inclinometers on bicycles is that you get so much acceleration and deceleration on a normal bike ride that you can't get an accurate reading for more than occasional moments, and you will never know WHEN those moments are. Thus, to the best of my knowledge, affordable inclinometers (costing from a few dollars for a mechanical one to one or two hundred dollars for the better electronic ones, both of which varieties I own) can be used ONLY when the bike is STATIONARY. I suppose one could add an accellerometer sensor that provided real time information to compensate the inclinometer reading, and a fast incline sensor as well... but I know of no product that does so in the under $300 price range. ---marty